Monday, October 7, 2013

Fish Bowl #7, Chapters 22 and 23 of The Kite Runner

Welcome to your seventh fishbowl!

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(A) Bring at least one quotation and/or page reference into at least one of your responses.
(B) Explain your thinking thoughtfully and thoroughly (try to avoid the one-sentence response).

(C) Keep it professional, including the usage of proper grammar and spelling.

(D) Comment frequently from the beginning of the conversation to the end.


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Enjoy!

103 comments:

  1. Why doesn't Sohrab try to fight back?

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    1. He cant he is a 7 or 8 year old boy and asef is a grown man

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    2. Sohrab is just a kid, he can't fight against a grown man.

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    3. Sohrab did fight back pg 261 he made Assef "One Eyed Assef" "The slingshot made a thwiiiit sound when Sohrab released the cup. Then Assef was screaming."

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    4. Since time has changed Assef would be a older man now...

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  2. Do you think that Assef rapes other boys/men? Or is it just Hassan and his son?
    *gosh this story is messed up*

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  3. What do you think will happen to Assef?

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    1. Yes! Even if he doesn't admit it out loud, he makes it extremely clear

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    2. I think it's more of a punishment for Hazara's and it's a way for Assef to show them who's in charge, not because he's attracted to men...

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    3. Yes because he shows an attraction towards Hassan and his son. He makes it clear the rape is not just about power, there is an attraction also.

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    4. I think he will probably be Bi. I mean it kind of makes sense, but probably mostly gay.

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    5. No he is raping Sohrab just because he hates Hazaras. Rape is sometimes used just as a fear factor.

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    6. Based on his sexuality, he's gay just based on his actions against Hassan.

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    7. It is not considered gay. It is child rape more than being gay. He does this because on page 281 he says that he is in his element meaning that he is in power. Also just because you rape a boy and you older than them ,then it is not called being gay but just child rape.

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    8. No, he is not he is getting raped. He is not gay. He is forced to do those things.

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    1. Yes, they are very power hungry also. The Taliban does whatever they want while limiting everybody else's rights.

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    2. Absolutely, I mean they do everything they are telling people not to do, but they do it behind quarters it's really hypocritical.

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    3. Yes because they don't let people listen to music but on page 288 it says Assef turned on music before he fought Amir.

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    4. Of course they are because the rules that they are making they are all breaking so has is that fair and why should they have to follow if they're not.

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    5. Yes, they murder people very violently yet the Taliban's actions are far more worse than those who have "sinned".

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  6. page 289 Assef is beating up Amir. Do you think that getting beat up by Assef makes up for what he did to Hassan.

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    1. I don't think it exactly makes up for it but it does make him feel better.

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    2. Yes in a way because Hassan was hurt and no he is in pain because of Hassan's son.

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    3. He said "For the first time since the winter of 1975, I felt at peace." I think that getting beat up by Assef made him feel less guilty about what happened to Hassan because he suffered too.

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    4. No, physical pain can't always take away the emotional pain that he has for Hassan.

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    5. Yes because when he is getting beat up, he is thinking what would have happened had he stepped in during what happened in the alley. He realized that getting beat up, no matter how bad, was better than letting his friend getting raped.

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    6. Yes, because during the beating Amir finally feels healed for his pain with Hassan.

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  7. Is Amir a hero? Or can Amir not be a hero because of all the bad in heroic things he has done in his past?

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    1. Every hero hit to their lowest point to the story so I would say, yes but he ends up as a good person in the end.

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    2. Amir is a hero in some ways but he is not in others some of the things that he has done sense Hassan has done but he still did somethings that cannot be forgiven.

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    3. i think it is hard to call him a hero because of all the horrible things he has done but i guess it is possible if he did something as heroic as he did.;

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  8. What does Baba's guilt motivate him to do?

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    1. Show his loyalty to Hassan and be strong and not a weak man. Stand up for himself.

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  9. "And was this really happening? Was I really sitting across from Assef?" (p.282) Is Amir is worried that Assef will do what he did to Hassan?

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    1. I think so and that fear grew a lot more when he saw Sohrab and how Assef treated him/dressed him

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    2. I would think so because he is still the same sick twisted person that he was when he raped Hassan.

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  10. If you were Sohrab how would you feel to find out your uncle who you've never met before come and save your life? How would you repay that?

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    1. I would feel safe and grateful. It means a lot having someone care about so much that they risk their life for you especially if you don't even know them. In addition, there is quite a few things to repay that. I could do a special deed for him but nothing would compare to what he did for me.

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    2. I think if i was in the situation it would be pretty strange that it happened to be my uncle and i think i would be pretty flustered.

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  11. Who do you think the hero is in this chapter? Is it maybe its Sohrab.

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    1. It's both Sohrab and Amir because neither would be alive without the other

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  12. On page 274 Amir says that it might have been a mistake to stop acting like a coward. Why would he want to act like a coward? What advantages does he get when acting like a coward?

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    1. Well not getting beaten up almost to death is a pretty good reason. But saving a friend/brothers son and paying a debt it worth the beating I think

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  13. Could Amir be considered a hero?

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    1. Yes, in the characteristics in the "hero's journey" every hero meets his or her breaking or low point in their journey. Amir certainly met those characteristics and has succumbed to be a hero.

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  14. does shorab know who amir is that he was friends with hassan

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    1. I don't think Shorab knows because he was so little I doubt Hassan ever told him, but Shorab will probably find out from Amir in the near future.

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  15. On page 281 Amir got face to face with Assef again. How do you think he felt? Was he scared?

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    1. In the book it sayed he was very scared so i would say yes.

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    2. I think he was scared but he stayed brave for Hassan and Sohrab.

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  16. When Amir gets beat by Assef do you think that it redeams him for letting Hassan get raped

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    2. Amir feels that way which can be explaind in the quote while he was getting beat up by Assef and started laughing,"What was so funny was that, for the first time since the winter of 1975, I felt at peace." page 289.

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  17. Does Assef know that Sohrab is Hassan's son?

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    1. I don't think that Assef had any idea that Sohrab was related to Hassan. Assef would have told Amir during his lengthy talk before the fight if he had actually known. I think it is just coincidence.

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    2. I think Assef knew which expalins why he had such an attachment to Shorab. Assef hated Hassan and enjoyed rapeing him, so when he died he thought his son could be a relacement.

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  18. Does Sorab know that Amir and Farid are trying to help him?

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    1. It is hard to say because he has been abused by so many people that he think that they are there for a different purpose.

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  19. In the beginning of chapter 22 Amir states he used to go door to door shooting families in their homes. Is this normal in Afghanistan or is their something wrong with Amir?

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    1. It was Assef that went going door to door shooting families

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  20. Pg 308 "There never was a Thomas and Betty Caldwell in Peshwar." Pg 310 "There is a way to be good again. A way to be good again." Could it be that Rahim Kahn wanted Amir to find Sohrab and make him his son?

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    1. I think that Rahim knew that Amir would eventually do the right thing and he could finally feel redeemed for what he did to Hassan.

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  21. Why can't Amir save himself? First it was Hassan and then Sohrab who rescued Amir from Assef. Will he ever be able to protect himself without someone else saving him?

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    1. I think that Amir can't save himself because like Baba said earlyier in the book "A man who can't stand up for himself can't stand up to anything."

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  22. On page 289 Amir starts laughing while getting beat up. Do you think Assef got so mad because that's what he did to the Russian guard.

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    1. I think Assef got mad because he wanted to hurt Amir not make him laugh.

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    2. I think Assef was mad because he was trying to give Amir pain, but the laughter shows enjoyment and not being bothered. This really got Assef heated because it makes him feel unsuccessful from what he was trying to do to Amir.

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  23. On page 280 Assef says he is on a mission to rid Afghanistan of garbage. What does Assef mean by this? Could this also be a positive statement?

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    1. I think that Assef is talking about getting rid of all of the Hazaras

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    2. No, because it means that he is going to kill more people and commit horrible hate crimes.

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    3. It could be a positive statement but not coming from Assef because his definition of garbage is just people who are weak and people who are other religions.

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    4. This could be a positive statement because it shows that Assef wanted to make Afghanistan a better place and stop the bad things going on.

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  24. Do you think Amir will tell Sohrab what happened to Hassan?

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    1. I think he will tell him just not right now because he is going through a lot

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  25. On page 291 it talks about Amir after he just had gotten beat up. How did Sorab feel about him? He helped Amir but did he feel bad?

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  26. Pg 285 "What do you want to do with him, or to him?"
    "That's disgusting"
    "How do you know? Have you tried it?"
    -Why would the author make Assef so gay. Could it be so you hate Assef even more?

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    1. By the way just because he rapes boys doesn't mean he is gay. The author made him "gay" is because Assef is wanting power. Assef raping boys makes him feel like he is more powerful. I also think that Assef is shown raping boys younger to him to show he is powerful because he himself probably is weak inside.

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  27. Do you think Amir thinks he i redeemed now that Assef has beat him up also?

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    1. I think that not because Assef beat him up but because he saved Sohrab from Assef

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    2. I think he feels like he got his punishment for what he did to Hassan and that make him feel less guilty.

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    3. But at the came time, he will always have that guilt inside of him of what really happened.

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  28. What does Amir mean when he feels that he is the one wrestling the bear instead of Baba?

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  29. In the beginning of chapter 23 it describes Amir basically just beat up. Could this reflect off of watching his friend getting raped?

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  30. Will the Taliban pursue Amir and Sohrab? On page 292 it says,"The truck's doors slammed shut and the engine roared to life. The car jerked forward and I get a tiny hand on my forehead."

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    1. I don't think so, Assef made it clear that whoever wins can walk out of the room free and Amir won.

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    2. I would think that they would come searching for them because they broke out with one of their slaves.

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    3. If they catch them which it doesn't really seem like they will.

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    4. I don't think that it's possible for there to be a pursuit because there is only 2 more chapters, but they could. In chapter 23 the guy who walked in the room wrapped in a blanket and then walked out not saying anything could have been a talib.

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  31. Why did Rahim Khan trick Amir into deciding to take care of Sohrab? Will this justify for Amir's sin of letting Hassan get raped when they were kids?

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    1. I think that Rahim knew that once Amir met Sohrab he would love him as his own son and Amir wouldn't be able to leave Sohrab behind.

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  32. What would be the difference between a hero and a bad person in the story?

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    1. How Amir was in the past and how he is now.

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  33. What is the deeper meaning of Amir's dream that he has in the hospital? On page 295 it says,"He's me. I am wrestling the bear".

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  34. In the beginning of Chapter 23 when Amir had just passed out, what was he thinking about when he talked about the bear Baba fought? Did this actually happen early in Amirs life?

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  35. How does Amir view himself personally?

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  36. Do a certain amount of goods equal 1 bad? is there any number of good things Amir has to do to make up for what he let happen?

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  37. Who is the real hero or leader of the story at this point? Or is it not known yet?

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    1. I think it is too early to tell who is and isn't the hero.

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  38. on page 292 " He slug my arm around his shoulder and lifted me. Carried me to the truck, running." what does this really mean ? is it so they can get away?

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  39. Can there be satisfaction by doing
    evil actions?

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